Twitter Weekly Updates for 2010-08-30

• .@NoelDickover @digiphile apps v. oranges: http://bit.ly/dDzqF6 for dev'lprs , like data.gov http://bit.ly/dtkU8h for all @marshallk #
• .@dan_munz thx for #FF & convo. #
• participatory budgeting in playground design,by five year olds (imagine what adults could do) http://bit.ly/bgyHfJ #gov20 h/t @participatory #
• @elinws RT @timoreilly RT @jamesoreilly Gerald Clemente: America won the cold war but now is turning into USSR: http://yhoo.it/bn9yXr #
• .@IdeaGov @dan_munz re #Gov20 "It's up to us" on steroids: http://bit.ly/cCVGI6 DIY bridge repair on Kauai//cc @cjoh h/t @timoreilly #
• @dan_munz yw. useful: "Don't try to make the case for #socmed Instead, make the case for what you'll ACCOMPLISH w/ #socmed " #allAboutGoals in reply to dan_munz #
• @dan_munz "Build a process not a website" on Citizen Engagement Survival Guide webinar @GovLoop http://bit.ly/8ZhIBC Amen #gov20 #
• "[The users] may be there *on* hardware & software paid for by you,but [they] are there *for* one another" http://bit.ly/cLrK46 h/t@cshirky #
• . @PublicDecisions @intellitics The #p2chat preserved: http://bit.ly/bgM1SY Thanks for making it a rousing one. #
• @elinws welcome. What does Twitter want? http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1510/is_n72/ai_11255568/ in reply to elinws #
• Good night, @PublicDecisions @intellitics Time for dinner w/my inamorata! #p2chat #schmooze #
• @PublicDecisions re beyond @seeclickfix in general, see http://infovegan.com/2010/08/02/city-bankruptcy per @cjoh #p2chat in reply to PublicDecisions #
• .@intellitics #p2chat re participatedb – any thoughts on including "micro" processes – e.g how each tool might (not)serve brainstorming? #
• .@PublicDecisions harrumph. parallel is that both the "tips" seekers and the "wizard" users are asking the wrong question #p2chat #
• .@PublicDecisions #p2chat re mobile phone engmt – http://app.beextra.org/ for volunteering, e.g. pix tagging, via smartphone #
• #p2chat not at all expert on tool selctn wizrds but suspect tjey mostly as useful/less as "how to pick up person of appropriate sex" tips #
• .@PublicDecisions #p2chat mean "how ppl expect tool to be used, even though techno permits something else" #
• #p2chat e.g. have AmericaSpeaks or World Cafe push Ideascale and surrounding processes to the limits, see what they can do #
• #p2chat so would be interesting to sponsor "culture breaking experiments" (which could work with ParticipateDB, actually) #
• together 3 tweets to say something at greater length. #p2chat #
• #p2chat thing is, a given tools often imports a certain "culture". e.g. against Twitter culture but not tech to string #
• #p2chat – agree w/"use which is best for you" & mods will do their best to ensure you're not a second class citizen +1 #
• .@PublicDecisions re tool/goal match – intervening var = process. Some not all processes can be shoe-horned into certain tools #p2chat #
• @PublicDecisions re "who's in room?" coolest I've seen is small rooms & mods who check-in w/all periodically eg Maestro teleconf #p2chat in reply to PublicDecisions #
• .@intellitics #P2Chat granted on 3,4,5; beyond that, what's benefit of offliners ALSO going online? #
• #p2chat obviously I'm grumpy abt integration. Rather start w/, say "participant in either mode/brkout room has equal access to engmt proces" #
• #p2chat re @intellitics online/offline 2,8: why? say we had split f2f mtg betw. 2 breakouts: would we insist everyone spend time in both? #
• .@intellitics you still in the #p2chat #
• #p2chat what strikes me about the App2 list is that, w/online, we don't know who is 'in the room" or who will see it later == unsafe #
• #p2chat agree somewhat on controls, but that's more a prob w/online per se than "integration" #
• #p2chat – what are some examples of struggling wit h integration? #
• So, of @intellitics 's post on integration of on/offline engagement http://bit.ly/99Gbe3 , I liked 3,4,5 – bridge back and forth #p2chat #
• Chris Berendes, #gov20 advocate, blogger on online engagement etc., looking forward to this week's #p2chat #
• .@qrarts – need pointers on a barcode (qr or otherwise) based system for attendee badges, scanning, for easy exchange of email addies, etc. #
• people search for action(to book flight,fix leak,cure hangover), not for nouns or information http://bit.ly/aYqtwX (@edyson) h/t @digiphile #

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Twitter Weekly Updates for 2010-08-23

• Fascinating read: Shai Sachs on how to #crowdsource lobbying http://bit.ly/c0VRMD (while waiting for #gov20 #
• #gov20 crowdsourced ideation not "one size fits all" http://bit.ly/brc1xZ Goal:get many ideas? implement some? build community?(@publivate) #
• #dialogue ftw: amazing "how open hostile people are to being persuaded, so long as you reciprocate" http://bit.ly/ciQPTL per @conor64 #
• @intellitics Mine variations on this search http://bit.ly/bJb76e (driven by http://bit.ly/9YtxBS and Google) for more… in reply to intellitics #
• @intellitics water and online mapping http://bit.ly/94ZCYU and Second Life http://bit.ly/bSgCVx in reply to intellitics #
• @intellitics FutureMelbourne appears to have touched on water issues http://bit.ly/b6TxdA //cc @collabforge in reply to intellitics #
• @intellitics see "The Community of Practice for Environmental Water Managers" http://www.cop4ewm.com.au/ for leads in reply to intellitics #
• RT @smashingmag Online newspapers can evolve by mkg reading a game: http://bit.ly/btw3pQ [Me: but I want points from friends not newspaper] #
• What's the best twitter handle to use for Matt Leigninger/Deliberative Democracy Consortium? #TwitterHoldouts #
• #p2chat now turning attention to kitchentools and dinner. some great ideas here, thanks Beth, Larry #
• @PublicDecisions so agencies shld either commit up front to criteria/followup OR follow along & adapt as the #socmed engmt develops #p2chat in reply to PublicDecisions #
• @PublicDecisions Various Fed nat'l dialogs" via ideascale, etc. I think these tools are easy/low cost, but honoring results harder #p2chat in reply to PublicDecisions #
• @LarrySchooler32 Lessons learned? what changes, additions in tech or processes would have made it even better? #p2chat in reply to LarrySchooler32 #
• @PublicDecisions #p2chat HIGH: as with NO, PLUS: co reviews policies/products etc based on custmr qns, follows up to bld relships in reply to PublicDecisions #
• @PublicDecisions #p2chat I'd say: NO e = co answers cust qns one on one, w/no chg in co policies, products in reply to PublicDecisions #
• @PublicDecisions Let's rephrase: how is good cust svc w/NO engmt different from good cust svc w/HIGH engmt? #p2chat in reply to PublicDecisions #
• #p2chat Vancouver's "greenest city" forum http://bit.ly/bT3gz6 good example of tool support by standard good practices, e.g. facilitation #
• @PublicDecisions need more info tho: how engaged are the 26k followers? what *inter*actions happen via Twitter? #publicengmt #p2Chat in reply to PublicDecisions #
• .@LarrySchooler32 #p2chat Makes sense to put goal (not tool) at center, and array tools (fb, etc) around as they can help #
• #p2chat snarky answer: ppl talk/email/blog post a lot, but how much of THAT is signif? #
• #p2chat disconnet? meaning "ppl use it a lot" BUT ppl don't rely on it ??? #
• #P2chat Me:Chris Berendes, Netalyst CTO, most interested in a-online engagement success stories, and b-best p2 uses of ideascale etc #
• My Twifficiency score is 48%. Whats yours? http://twifficiency.com/ #
• #power & #gov20 @AndreaDiMaio:Until virtual communities have a place at the table, they won't matter http://bit.ly/duqxN9 #
• "it high time that crisis response organizations start viewing the public as part of the team" http://bit.ly/btYyNk (per @fema) #gov20 #

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Twitter Weekly Updates for 2010-08-16

• @digiphile Better link: http://irevolution.wordpress.com/2010/08/14/crowd-is-always-there/ in reply to digiphile #
• .@munigov20 @govwiki @NahumG @lovistalk – Thanks for the retweets and mentions. #
• .@lovistalk's right: failure is not an "option" for #gov20 http://bit.ly/d8HFeb It's an *investment* in #AgileGov for insight & opportunity. #
• visualization=>conversation=>data literacy: http://bit.ly/awzzYh shows UK budget cut options by party @davebriggs h/t @infobeautiful #
• http://bit.ly/agnRzt @thomrubel(@idc) blogs re #dc 311 #fail @participatory RTs, @BryanSivak (DC CTO) follows-up.Has Thom replied? #socmed #

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Twitter Weekly Updates for 2010-08-09

• extending my "bad #participation quot; case, http://bit.ly/c3iXHW @intelletics raises ethics, @publicdecisions asks "how to, in practice?" #iap2 #
• RT @davebriggs Blogging method: start something hugely ambitious, give up, use chunks as basis of several smaller posts.//feeling validated #
• Per @davebriggs: data literacy happens "in my head"/"in their database". I'd add: "in our conversation" http://bit.ly/cBtMt3 h/t @eDemocracy #
• .@lovisatalk Re individual Feds, we have 2 options to promote #gov20 trial/error: fire ppl less, or make consequences of firing milder #
• .@digiphile @marcidale +1 for #AgileGov if it draws attention to how government does & could work (all 3 branches, processes & people) #
• @intellitics My more cynical take: http://bit.ly/cuqMvu (But at least crowdsourcing requires listening…) in reply to intellitics #
• How long has @techpresident http://bit.ly/cSQJf3 used "cross-partisan" (v."non-partisan")? echos @jayrosen_nyu http://bit.ly/aVU4sk #
• Good: @lovisatalk for #gov20 trial & error learning http://bit.ly/bbxw87 How? Learn from Silicon Valley: http://nyti.ms/a8t8Ey #
• @participatory At 810 am EDT today, DC CTO responded, asking for details http://bit.ly/agnRzt #gov20 #workInProgress in reply to participatory #

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Twitter Weekly Updates for 2010-07-26

• @intellitics If, say, @opengov agrees that goal of online consultation is better decmkg, how will we be able tell? #gov20 #edem in reply to intellitics #
• To examine an online #participation event: ask "_who_ is deciding _what_?" http://bit.ly/a9rmmd sez @intellitics #gov20 #
• @NoelDickover Agreed re Sherrod and #MSM @tpmmedia delves deeper, praises @cnn @ajc http://bit.ly/avZNUk . Next step? in reply to NoelDickover #
• Add argumentation to ideascale etc. #crowdsourcing for better filtering, less redundancy http://bit.ly/azScKL h/t @CristianoFaria #
• #crowdsourcing #cooperation:lessons for #gov20 from Netflix http://bit.ly/bigdRN Join the discussion on @intellitics 's blog #
• @lengutman is SFO local enough? if so, check out Tim Bonneman @intellitics in reply to lengutman #
• for better #socmed #metrics, first connect the dots, *then* count them: http://bit.ly/cBJGS6 #gov20 h/t @PCDCNtwk #

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Twitter Weekly Updates for 2010-07-19

• Rdg "How to Avoid a Social media Crisis" http://bit.ly/cmCDl4 #gov20 h/t @emoderation Nicely done. #
• Reading " #Online #Deliberation: Design, Research, and Practice" http://bit.ly/aHu2vN h/t renewed @NCDD resource ctr http://ncdd.org/rc #

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How long do Twitter search engines remember?

Less than a month ago, I tweeted
and it’s still online as a Twitter status. I search Twitter occasionally, and I’m often interested in Tweets that are more than a month old. This tweet was forgettable, but the words are unusual enough that it should be easy to find.

So it’s a good test:

• It’s no longer in Twitter search;
• Google finds it; and
• So does Tweefind (under Related News, in the sidebar on the right).

Other services which work via Google also found it. I wonder how longer Google will have it.

If you can find this Tweet in any other way, please comment.