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p2chat September 28, 2010

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Beth Offenbacker of Public Decisions hosts #p2chat, a weekly chat on public participation, Tuesdays at 6pm Eastern/3pm Pacific.

This is the archive of tweets for the September 28 chat. (Archive courtesy of TwapperKeeper.)

PublicDecisionsHi everyone and welcome to this week’s #P2chat! Today we’re discussing laws/regs for p2 and also tips for public hearings/mtgs.^09/28/10 06:00 PM ET
PublicDecisionsLet‚Äôs do intros…pls tell us a little about yourself. (be sure 2 incl #P2chat in yr tweets so they‚Äôre seen by folks & 4 chat archive too)^09/28/10 06:01 PM ET
PublicDecisionsBeth Offenbacker @PublicDecisions We use techn to showcase best practices emerging trends and leading thinkers in #publicengmt #P2Chat^09/28/10 06:03 PM ET
transPRIntro: #p2chat Darrel here PR for gov clients former gov PR and former journalist^09/28/10 06:05 PM ET
citizentoolsChris Berendes CTO Netalyst #gov20 blogger techie online engagement project manager #p2chat^09/28/10 06:05 PM ET
citizentoolsRegarding laws/regs here are model laws supporting citizen assemblies & “open meeting” laws that inhibit pol participation online #p2chat^09/28/10 06:14 PM ET
PublicDecisionsWhat laws and regs are you aware of for #publicengmt? #p2chat^09/28/10 06:15 PM ET
PublicDecisionsIn the spirit of #publicengmt did you know today is Intl Right to Know Day? http://bit.ly/bqGN23 #p2chat^09/28/10 06:16 PM ET
PublicDecisionsDo you think that FOIA laws are part of the p2 spectrum…?? some see as directly rel others as adjunct to #p2chat^09/28/10 06:17 PM ET
transPR#p2chat NEPA laws re environmental reviews for projects fed laws for transportation plans at state and MPO levels.^09/28/10 06:18 PM ET
PublicDecisionsGreat p2 resource for engmt under Res Cons & Rec Act Safe Drinking Water and Clean Water Acts http://bit.ly/9r8M7L #p2chat^09/28/10 06:19 PM ET
PublicDecisionsHas anyone been following this issue? “Appeals court rejects public comment time” http://www.thataway.org/?p=2376 #p2chat^09/28/10 06:21 PM ET
transPR@PublicDecisions Important to have a system to collect the comments that are required and document efforts. #p2chat^09/28/10 06:21 PM ET
PublicDecisionsGreat post on @NCDD blog New Resource on Legislation Supporting Citizen Participation http://bit.ly/cVvO7q #p2chat^09/28/10 06:23 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions Haven’t followed the FL issue. Speaks to the need for some definitions and also expectations #p2chat^09/28/10 06:24 PM ET
PublicDecisionsGood resource on p2 laws/regs in China http://www.greenlaw.org.cn/enblog/?p=2377 #p2chat^09/28/10 06:25 PM ET
transPRWho knew? RT @PublicDecisions: Good resource on p2 laws/regs in China http://bit.ly/9aQ2nE #p2chat^09/28/10 06:27 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions Have you run into legal issues pro or con in your work? #p2chat^09/28/10 06:28 PM ET
PublicDecisions@transPR NEPA is a good one; SAFETEALU also has req. (Isn’t SL up for reauth? Any changes on p2 in new law being talked abt?) #p2chat^09/28/10 06:28 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools we should organize a study trip to check out the Tuscan law must be more to it that needs examination! :) #p2chat^09/28/10 06:29 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools Lawsregs req p2 are good set standard…but also lead 2 tendency 2″check the box” IMHO. Shld be starting pt not end #p2chat^09/28/10 06:31 PM ET
PublicDecisions@transpr do you see particular trends in p2 in transportation as compared to other fields? #p2chat^09/28/10 06:32 PM ET
PublicDecisions…meaning in terms of what’s required by law or reg #p2chat^09/28/10 06:32 PM ET
transPR@PublicDecisions #p2chat stimulus set a new path for transp documentation and transparancy. Could show up in new auth.^09/28/10 06:33 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat the limit of laws is that short of the jury system you can’t mandate impact^09/28/10 06:33 PM ET
PublicDecisionsPDF report: Public Participation In The Enforcement Of China’s Anti-Pollution Laws http://bit.ly/cUgWrz #p2chat #environmental #publicengmt^09/28/10 06:35 PM ET
PublicDecisionsWhat pointers and best practices do you have from your work in terms of public hearings/mtgs? #p2chat^09/28/10 06:36 PM ET
PublicDecisionsthis would be gr8 step 4ward! RT @transPR: #p2chat stimulus set new path 4 transp documentation & transp. Cld show up in new transp auth^09/28/10 06:38 PM ET
PublicDecisionsHere’s 1…may be obvious…create a conv about the values that underpin subject first perhaps prehearing coffee klatch #p2chat^09/28/10 06:40 PM ET
PublicDecisionsSets the stage for ppl to think about why they care about issue and puts folks on same page before formal part of mtg begins #p2chat^09/28/10 06:40 PM ET
citizentoolsHave there been public hearings “in the round”? the usual set-up is hierarchical and often adversarial #p2chat^09/28/10 06:43 PM ET
transPR@PublicDecisions #p2chat trend is going beyond what’s required by law. Some govs doing so others wed to past. Public expecting more.^09/28/10 06:44 PM ET
PublicDecisionsthanks @transpr! great to have you as part of discussion as always #p2chat^09/28/10 06:47 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools so often orientation around preventing contr rather than creating learning oppty. Collab shld begin long b4 pub hring #p2chat^09/28/10 06:49 PM ET
PublicDecisionsBlding on that another best practice I see is having hearing as culmination of lengthy process not one-off activity #p2chat^09/28/10 06:50 PM ET
PublicDecisionsBeyond the Public Hearing—Tools for Better #PublicEngmt fr Wyoming Assn of Municipalities http://bit.ly/8ZMPn9 #p2chat^09/28/10 06:53 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions are you aware of any research on what actually happens in say Senate hearings and how to “win” them? #p2chat^09/28/10 06:54 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools wld be interestd in yr insights on good tips for public mtgs hearings. what works best? #p2chat^09/28/10 06:54 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools have not seen any data on that wld be good Q for researchers that focus on political side of engmt tho #p2chat^09/28/10 06:56 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions Unfortunately only a very occasional “lay” participant in hearings… #p2chat^09/28/10 06:58 PM ET
PublicDecisionsWld be good to collect input from others on best practices 4 public hearings this week we can share addl ideas at next wks’s #p2chat?^09/28/10 07:00 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions Good idea. Thanks for the #p2chat this evening.^09/28/10 07:02 PM ET
PublicDecisionsSee everybody next week! Suggestions for topics are always welcome 4 #p2chat feel free to DM me with any ideas^09/28/10 07:05 PM ET


p2chat September 21, 2010

Posted: September 23rd, 2010 | Author: | Filed under: Twitter Chat, Twitter Content | Tags: | No Comments »

Beth Offenbacker of Public Decisions hosts #p2chat, a weekly chat on public participation, Tuesdays at 6pm Eastern/3pm Pacific.

This is the archive of tweets for the September 21 chat. (Archive courtesy of TwapperKeeper.)

PublicDecisionsHI everyone welcome to #P2Chat this week! Today’s topics include value results of civic engmt; connecting w existing conv online^09/21/10 05:46 PM ET
PublicDecisionsPlease introduce yourself! Name organization twitter handle a little about your work #P2Chat^09/21/10 05:54 PM ET
intelliticsMulti-tasking today but will try to keep an eye on #P2Chat as best I can (starts now!).^09/21/10 06:00 PM ET
PublicDecisionsBeth Offenbacker @PublicDecisions we use techn 2 share best pract ID emerging trends & showcase leading thinkers in #publicengmt #P2Chat^09/21/10 06:01 PM ET
citizentoolsChris Berendes – interested in understanding and communicating the ways in which civic engmt improves government and governance #p2chat^09/21/10 06:02 PM ET
PublicDecisionsjust a reminder pls join us/tweet 2 win Wendy Sarkissian’s CreativeCommPlanning bk More http://bit.ly/aSO8sJ #P2Chat^09/21/10 06:04 PM ET
PublicDecisionsLet’s start out by talking about value results of public engmt. What does “value” of public engmt mean to you ppl you work with? #P2Chat^09/21/10 06:05 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat ultimately civic engmt creates political will based on legitimacy visibility solid processes and follow-up^09/21/10 06:05 PM ET
PublicDecisionsCan also contribute to good mgmt of resources better stewardship on admin side; knit together comm id new resrces 4 solving probs #P2Chat^09/21/10 06:07 PM ET
PublicDecisionsWonder why “value” of p2 so hard to get ppl to accept tho? these all seem like solid things that ppl support #P2chat^09/21/10 06:09 PM ET
citizentools.@PublicDecisions #P2Chat by “new resources” do you mean smart citizens w/good ideas or something else?^09/21/10 06:11 PM ET
PublicDecisionscould be idea could also be $$ in kind support other ppl getting involved 2. More distrib power to address prblm than just govt #p2chat^09/21/10 06:12 PM ET
citizentools.@PublicDecisions #P2chat suggest it’s difficult for pols govts to be against civic engmt openly so it’s hard to have the conversation^09/21/10 06:13 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools I think dpnds on how you C engmtis it oppty to solve prob get indir visib4self meet/work w others some/allofthese? #p2chat^09/21/10 06:15 PM ET
PublicDecisionsI wld argue that good engmt req that self-int behavior take a much diminished role…public/community best interest shld be focus #P2chat^09/21/10 06:15 PM ET
PublicDecisionsGood resources on identifying value of engagement anyone can suggest? #p2chat^09/21/10 06:17 PM ET
PublicDecisions…or is value closely tied out outcomes?? #P2chat^09/21/10 06:20 PM ET
PublicDecisionssorry tied “TO” outcomes #p2chat^09/21/10 06:21 PM ET
citizentoolsAgreed that community interest should be focus; #p2chat experience is that sometimes civic engmt is last resort when things get stuck^09/21/10 06:21 PM ET
citizentoolsfor instance Ed Everett’s Redwood City water conservation project; @americaspeaks and the United New Orleans Plan #p2chat^09/21/10 06:22 PM ET
PublicDecisionsGood resources on measuring success in engagement http://www.involve.org.uk/evaluation-guide/success.shtml #P2chat^09/21/10 06:23 PM ET
intelliticsRT @PublicDecisions: Good resources on measuring success in engagement http://www.involve.org.uk/evaluation-guide/success.shtml #P2chat^09/21/10 06:23 PM ET
PublicDecisionstrue…all good examples.Perhaps we need wave of public mgrs to see engmt as strategy for eff day2day mgmt not just 4 hot potatoes? #P2chat^09/21/10 06:24 PM ET
transpartisanRT @PublicDecisions: Good resources on measuring success in engagement http://www.involve.org.uk/evaluation-guide/success.shtml #P2chat^09/21/10 06:25 PM ET
PublicDecisionsStudy from INVOLVE that they are doing that focuses on identifying values outcomes from engmt http://bit.ly/du2QHK #p2chat^09/21/10 06:26 PM ET
PublicDecisionsHave some other resources on outcomes I can share on blog (need to find links); watch for post at www.p2tools.blogspot.com #p2chat^09/21/10 06:28 PM ET
PublicDecisionstopic 2 tonight: What ways are ppl creating or finding conv online for engmt? going 2 existing places like FB or creating new? #P2chat^09/21/10 06:29 PM ET
PublicDecisionsInteresting article in FastCompany about negative aspects of using online env for disc http://bit.ly/97tD5d #P2Chat^09/21/10 06:31 PM ET
PublicDecisionsDid you know that 40% of Americans have a FB account although only 7% have Twitter acct? acc to recent Pew study #p2chat^09/21/10 06:33 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat @ncdd discussion on whether to GO to where the ppl are (online or off) or to BRING them into the discussion http://bit.ly/dw1RFR^09/21/10 06:34 PM ET
PublicDecisionsapps culture is interesting too 4 engmt..”35% of US adults have cell phones with apps but only 24% of adults actually use them” #p2chat^09/21/10 06:36 PM ET
PublicDecisions…data from Pew. Also “Apps users are younger more educated and more affluent than other cell phone users.”http://bit.ly/pFlIT #P2chat^09/21/10 06:37 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions so you end up going to both venues plus Mehante MySpace BlackPlanet etc. #p2chat^09/21/10 06:38 PM ET
PublicDecisionsintersting to consider…not all online env or technologies created equally in terms of reaching folks #p2chat^09/21/10 06:39 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions in that the different techs are a bit like languages – English not quite the one size that fits all. #p2chat^09/21/10 06:40 PM ET
poetspiritI always send engmt news to where the people that might be interested are- twitter & facebook; may try linkdin #p2chat^09/21/10 06:40 PM ET
PublicDecisionsNew Pew study: Afr Am & Latinos on internet don’t just use soc web at higher rates attitudes to tools differ 2 http://bit.ly/cxF5I6 #p2chat^09/21/10 06:41 PM ET
citizentools.@poetspirit #p2chat what tools do you use to identify where ppl that might be interested are or might be?^09/21/10 06:43 PM ET
poetspiritFor practitioners and others interested in engmt I just added a simple chat room to www.allthingsreform.org #p2chat^09/21/10 06:43 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools So true! David Friedman on webinar last wk said we build & expect ppl will just come…need 2actively engage 4 success #p2chat^09/21/10 06:45 PM ET
PublicDecisions…cannot be passive need to ask for ppl to share expertise info they have in very active way…relationships and ties are impt #p2chat^09/21/10 06:46 PM ET
PublicDecisionsThanks @poetspirit! Wld love your insignts on enging w ppl how to id where they particip8 online…do survey?other ways?? #p2chat^09/21/10 06:46 PM ET
poetspiritI try to follow or friend people interested in the field and send news to them. RT @citizentools: .@poetspirit #p2chat what tools… ?^09/21/10 06:47 PM ET
citizentools@poetspirit Makes sense. LIstening is more observed in theory than practice. #p2chat^09/21/10 06:49 PM ET
poetspiritI’d like to better use Twitter Lists and associated apps for finding more people interested in the practice #p2chat^09/21/10 06:49 PM ET
PublicDecisionsI use some twitter lists seems easier to use than FB or Linked In (IMHO) #P2chat^09/21/10 06:52 PM ET
citizentoolsI’m learning that the #socmed pros who actually listen do so episodically. Nobody reads their 3k Twitter friends #p2chat^09/21/10 06:54 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat Instead they use #socmed search tools http://bit.ly/9SVroA or they have Twitter lists they dip into for particular issues^09/21/10 06:56 PM ET
PublicDecisionsgood pt @citizentools…tho I findTwitteruseful for scanning 4 trends insights…easier than scrolling thru dozens of FBpages(4me) #p2chat^09/21/10 06:57 PM ET
poetspiritI think we should bring together the different sub-topics of engmt including #gov20 #p2chat^09/21/10 06:58 PM ET
PublicDecisionsYes search tools are gr8 I have some set up too. Being a good public engmt practitioner req more techn orientation 2day! :) #p2chat^09/21/10 06:59 PM ET
citizentoolsSearch is big. Heard yesterday for instance that oaklandlocal.com uses FB search 2 gather info to repub (/wpermission) to its blog #p2chat^09/21/10 06:59 PM ET
PublicDecisions@poetspirit are there specific aspects of 2.0 and engmt you would like to see us discuss 2gether? #gov20 #p2chat^09/21/10 07:00 PM ET
citizentools@poetspirit about out of time but good idea; how wld you start on this? #gov20 #p2chat^09/21/10 07:01 PM ET
poetspirit@citizentools Having been very close to the goings on of gov20 and more recently engmt I’ve been sending news on engmt to #gov20 #p2chat^09/21/10 07:01 PM ET
PublicDecisions@poetspirit wld be gr8 to hr more on how we could collab in this way #p2chat^09/21/10 07:01 PM ET
citizentools@poetspirit I’ll check out your tweets and blog. #gov20 #p2chat^09/21/10 07:05 PM ET
PublicDecisionsHave 2 head out for anniv dinner :) Gr8 conv this wk @citizentools & @poetspirit! Many thanks 4 RTs @intellitics @transpartisan! #p2chat^09/21/10 07:07 PM ET
poetspiritThank you; is this chat weekly or more often? #p2chat^09/21/10 07:08 PM ET
citizentoolsThanks everyone. @PublicDecisions always has the best after-chat plans. We should hold a contest 😉 #p2chat^09/21/10 07:08 PM ET
PublicDecisions@poetspirit we meet weekly it’d be fantastic to have you join us next week (Tues 6p Eastern 3p Pacific) #p2chat^09/21/10 07:09 PM ET
PublicDecisionsthanks @citizentools! :) Looking forward to next week’s discussion; have a great week everyone! #p2chat^09/21/10 07:10 PM ET
poetspiritI look forward to it; have more ideas on getting broader use of engmt in politics elsewhere #p2chat^09/21/10 07:11 PM ET
poetspiritPublicDecisions: #P2Chat- chat on Twitter every Tues from 6-7pm ET (22:00 GMT)  http://bit.ly/clqVal #gov20 #opengov #activism^09/21/10 07:12 PM ET


p2chat September 14, 2010

Posted: September 23rd, 2010 | Author: | Filed under: Twitter Chat, Twitter Content | Tags: | No Comments »

Beth Offenbacker of Public Decisions hosts #p2chat, a weekly chat on public participation, Tuesdays at 6pm Eastern/3pm Pacific.

This is the archive of tweets for the September 14 chat. (Archive courtesy of TwapperKeeper.)

PublicDecisionsHi everyone and welcome to this week’s #P2Chat! This week we’ll be talking about Web 2.0 mobile phones & civic engmt &other gr8 stuff too^09/14/10 05:30 PM ET
PublicDecisionsPlease introduce yourself and tell us about the work you do #P2Chat^09/14/10 05:34 PM ET
PublicDecisionsI’m Beth Offenbacker @PublicDecisions We use techn 2 enhance public engmt thru our distinctive online programs conf and training #P2chat^09/14/10 05:59 PM ET
PublicDecisionsNew report out about use of mobile phones and civic engmt shows link betwn usage http://bit.ly/c3FjLu #P2Chat^09/14/10 05:59 PM ET
citizentoolsChris Berendes Netalyst CTO Gov2.0 in the ’90s w/the Reinventing Gov’t team and Nuclear Reg Comm in the ’00s with USDOT; #p2chat blogger^09/14/10 06:02 PM ET
PublicDecisionsMobile ph pt2/findings: "techn for info exch & recreation R positive predictors of participation in civic life" http://bit.ly/c3FjLu #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:05 PM ET
PublicDecisions….HOWEVER link is "moderated by mobile communication competence" #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:06 PM ET
PublicDecisionsQ: to what degree are you using mobile techn as part of #publicengmt efforts? Little some a lot none?? #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:07 PM ET
citizentoolsRT @PublicDecisions: New report out about use of mobile phones and civic engmt shows link betwn usage http://bit.ly/c3FjLu #p2chat^09/14/10 06:07 PM ET
citizentoolsHow much longer will mobile be an entirely separate category vs. a "flavor" as say Mac vs. PC have been for a while? #p2chat^09/14/10 06:08 PM ET
citizentoolsBeth – any surprising to you about the study? #p2chat^09/14/10 06:09 PM ET
PublicDecisionsSeveral fed agencies like EPA DOT are adapting websites so can be used/seen on smartphones pdas; not seeing so much by state/local #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:10 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools Agree more and more blurring; Pew report this wk saying that 60% ppl use mobiles to go on internet send text email #p2chat^09/14/10 06:11 PM ET
PublicDecisionsOOPs correction….Pew said 40% (not 60%) is up 8% since last yr #p2chat^09/14/10 06:12 PM ET
PublicDecisionsU Mich study interesting to see assn talked about a new kind of ‘digital divide’ in this way #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:14 PM ET
PublicDecisions@CItIzentools my pers exp has been more broad appr 2 engage ppl less segmenting of grps acc 2 techn; your exp too? Seeing shift tho #P2chat^09/14/10 06:14 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions how many engagement sponsors/consultants attempt to engage in all the different aves avail? would be eye-opening. #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:15 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions matters also whether a particular tech meant to cre8 more access to same ppl already on web or bring in new ppl #P2chat^09/14/10 06:17 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools Agree would be fascinating data; also how to choose among many choices why some chosen over others #P2chat^09/14/10 06:18 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools Agree would be fascinating data; also how to choose among many choices why some chosen over others #P2chat^09/14/10 06:19 PM ET
PublicDecisionsNew data re cities using soc media 4 #publicengmt (Shameless plug: NLC folks spking at free pgm in Oct for us) http://bit.ly/afotJ4 #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:19 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat interesting take on mobile as way to reach the "too digital too busy" i.e. execs http://bit.ly/awgaXo^09/14/10 06:19 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools Great piece on engaging senior folks think gen assumption is mobile is not for them… #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:22 PM ET
PublicDecisionsWhat influence is iPad having on sr execs &on comm too? Seeing more ppl using (anecdotally)…I think of iPad as "souped up" smartph #P2chat^09/14/10 06:22 PM ET
citizentoolsSeem to be a lot of IPad converts. FlipBoard app http://bit.ly/ac0SI6 converts your followers/friends into new editors #p2chat^09/14/10 06:23 PM ET
PublicDecisionsFollow on to last week’s #crowdsourcing disc have you been following Challenge.gov news? http://bit.ly/9Ahgjr #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:25 PM ET
PublicDecisionsHaven’t seen prize money as part of p2 efforts before; new to others too?? #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:29 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions I think $$$ prizes for p2 tricky; wise man said "you can send flowers after a date but not the $$$ equiv" #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:29 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions I think $$$ prizes for p2 tricky; wise man said “you can send flowers after a date but not the $$$ equiv” #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:30 PM ET
PublicDecisionsQuestion is about whether influence of possibly getting actual reward vs karmic one is good or not so good… #P2chat^09/14/10 06:34 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions More seriously – nature of prize important – appreciation "insider status" probably works better than $$$ for p2 #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:34 PM ET
PublicDecisions@Citizentools Agreealso worry that competition rather than coop collab is emphasized #P2chat^09/14/10 06:34 PM ET
citizentoolsIpad again – convert at Forrester: "The iPad gives me an omnipresent window into that digital world. " http://bit.ly/9EtzwW #p2chat^09/14/10 06:35 PM ET
PublicDecisionsGood stories coming out of Gov 2.0 summit did you see one on legal challenges of FB other apps http://bit.ly/aZZ5iK #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:36 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions re coop v collab – prize may spur selective collab if entries must meet a high standard e.g. #netflix prize #P2chat^09/14/10 06:37 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions re coop v collab – prize may spur selective collab if entries must meet a high standard e.g. #netflix prize #P2chat^09/14/10 06:39 PM ET
PublicDecisions@Citizentools would love to have iPad myself much lighter than laptop (or even Netbook) #P2chat^09/14/10 06:39 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions key line: ‚ÄúI have to somehow make it work but it takes a bit of doing‚Äù +10 That’s a #gov20 -savvycounsel. #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:39 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions key line: ‚ÄúI have to somehow make it work but it takes a bit of doing‚Äù +10 That’s a #gov20 -savvycounsel. #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:39 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools Good point on collab and standards #Netflix prob gold standard in prompting that #P2chat^09/14/10 06:41 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions Imagine value of iconizing a p2 "weather rpt" to fit in corner of Ipad screen #P2chat^09/14/10 06:41 PM ET
citizentoolsRT @PublicDecisions: Follow on to last week’s #crowdsourcing disc have you been following Challenge.gov news? http://bit.ly/9Ahgjr #p2chat^09/14/10 06:42 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools So easy to get caught up using tools we already kno not new ones too…have 2 use tools that ppl we want 2 reach use #P2chat^09/14/10 06:42 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat Compare NLC http://bit.ly/czwsW8 vs. commercial #socmed http://bit.ly/akHcsm <grump>Which has gone from novelty to value?</grump>^09/14/10 06:43 PM ET
PublicDecisionsHad a genl sense that UK ahead of US in govt digi media report based on 20 govt depts says ‘not really’ http://bit.ly/cqRSrT #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:45 PM ET
PublicDecisionsHad a genl sense that UK ahead of US in govt digi media report based on 20 govt depts says ‘not really’ http://bit.ly/cqRSrT #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:46 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools Say more about…do u mean priv sector ‘gets it’ more?? #p2chat #socmed^09/14/10 06:48 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools Say more about…do u mean priv sector ‘gets it’ more?? #p2chat #socmed^09/14/10 06:48 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions "conversation"and "two-way" and "interactive" conspicuously absent on that p. ;-( #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:49 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools Interesting obs…that squares w UK report too..more use for info starting 2 get into soc med 4 engmt #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:49 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools Interesting obs…that squares w UK report too..more use for info starting 2 get into soc med 4 engmt #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:50 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions yup. Private sector more focused on outcomes e.g. sales. Govt in gen’l more in the "hey I tweeted" stage #p2chat #socmed^09/14/10 06:51 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions <grump>countless presentations that start w/30 s on "mkts = conversations" then 30m on "how to push messages" #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:51 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions <grump>countless presentations that start w/30 s on “mkts = conversations” then 30m on “how to push messages” #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:52 PM ET
PublicDecisionsSome gr8 examples though of how nonprofits are harnessing soc med for engmt action http://www.comminit.com/en/node/322585/306# #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:53 PM ET
PublicDecisionsSome gr8 examples though of how nonprofits are harnessing soc med for engmt action http://www.comminit.com/en/node/322585/306# #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:53 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions also interesting that most #gov20 friends unfamiliar with http://amzn.to/bgcrFh or @charleneli #p2chat #socmed^09/14/10 06:54 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools Yes some orgs think of p2 and marketing together when (I thnk) shld be abt serving public interest #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:54 PM ET
citizentoolsRT @PublicDecisions: Some gr8 examples though of how nonprofits are harnessing soc med for engmt action http://www.comminit.com/en/node/322585/306# #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:55 PM ET
PublicDecisionsGreat conversation this week as always! this is like a high-octane version of chatting around the watercooler :) #p2chat^09/14/10 06:56 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions Also think that listening is hard and humbling but can lead to highly effective marketing (hence the biz interest) #P2Chat^09/14/10 06:56 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions Big fun – great linksthanks. Still working on that 58pp report though 😉 #p2chat^09/14/10 06:58 PM ET
PublicDecisions@Citizentools you are right on about listening…so easy to talk much more work to listen actively #p2chat^09/14/10 06:59 PM ET
PublicDecisionsThanks @Citizentools! Have a great evening and looking forward to the conversation next week! #P2chat^09/14/10 07:00 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions Thanks for hosting Beth. #p2chat^09/14/10 07:00 PM ET


p2chat September 7, 2010

Posted: September 23rd, 2010 | Author: | Filed under: Twitter Chat, Twitter Content | Tags: | No Comments »

Beth Offenbacker of Public Decisions hosts #p2chat, a weekly chat on public participation, Tuesdays at 6pm Eastern/3pm Pacific.

This is the archive of tweets for the September 7 chat.

PublicDecisionsHowdy folks! Welcome to #P2Chat for Tues Sept 7. Today’s topics are #crowdsourcing & handling comments. Let’s get started!^09/07/10 05:30 PM ET
PublicDecisionsPlease introduce yourself…be sure to use #P2Chat when posting so others can see your posts (and we can archive it too)^09/07/10 05:46 PM ET
PublicDecisionsBeth Offenbacker @PublicDecisions We use technology to enhance public engmt through our distinctive online pgms confs & training #P2Chat^09/07/10 05:59 PM ET
intelliticsIntroductions for #P2Chat: Intellitics is a participation startup based in San José CA. We develop @zilino.^09/07/10 06:00 PM ET
citizentoolsChris Berendes Netalyst CTO dealt w/comment flood as USDOT CRM team lead after 9/11 If only we’d had ideascale etc. back then… #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:02 PM ET
PublicDecisionsQuick poll: how many folks here have had experience with crowdsourcing vs. are checking it out? #p2chat^09/07/10 06:02 PM ET
intellitics@PublicDecisions Been watching the intersection btwn crowdsourcing and public participation for a while now. #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:04 PM ET
PublicDecisionsHave one proj in past (didn’t call it crowdsrcing tho) and have small new one now #p2Chat^09/07/10 06:06 PM ET
PublicDecisionsThanks @2ndOpinionLive sounds like gr8resource! "Our users hve bn enjoying "personal crowdsourcing" via Second Opinion iPhone app" #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:08 PM ET
citizentoolsMostly “checking out” I’ve confronted the general question of “here’s 1000 comments. now what?” more than once. #p2chat^09/07/10 06:10 PM ET
PublicDecisionspt 2…my experience in past didn’t use all cool crowdsourcing tools now avail…very impressive array that’s blossomed lately! #P2chat^09/07/10 06:10 PM ET
citizentoolsRT @2ndOpinionLive: @PublicDecisions Our users have been enjoying “personal crowdsourcing” via the Second Opinion iPhone app #p2chat^09/07/10 06:11 PM ET
ccfkcIntro for #P2Chat. CCF is a civic engagement nonprofit in King County WA. Existed primarily offline & building a new online program^09/07/10 06:11 PM ET
PublicDecisionsMaybe good place 2 start is how to build crowdsourcing into overall p2 approach? decision criteria to use w comments etc? #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:12 PM ET
PublicDecisionsHi @ccfkc! Welcome to #P2Chat :)^09/07/10 06:13 PM ET
intelliticsThe term “crowdsourcing” is often applied incorrectly. Helps to get clear on definitions every once in a while: http://bit.ly/aNfwSP #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:14 PM ET
PublicDecisions…what is promise to the public (@IAp2 spectrum) for comments via crowdsourcing?? #p2chat^09/07/10 06:15 PM ET
citizentoolsSuggest how ppl offer input is imprtnt distinctn – in wikip crowdsource (cs) via edits; in Mech TUrk cs via all sorts of actions #p2chat^09/07/10 06:17 PM ET
PublicDecisionsGr8 post @intellitics…do you think that the term has evolved in recent months w growth in tools from what originally written?? #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:17 PM ET
citizentools@intellitics so for #crowdsource single input generally not that imported or respected – it’s one of 100’s or 1000’s #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:18 PM ET
PublicDecisions@ccfkc wld be interested in hearing about your online comm do you use crowdsourcing or considering? #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:20 PM ET
intellitics@PublicDecisions That’s often the problem! Opening up the comment/idea box but no concept how input should/can/will be used. #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:21 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools makes me also think of who has control…does public have final say (Empower) or sponsor (Inform)? #p2chat^09/07/10 06:21 PM ET
citizentools@ccfkc Hey welcome! what’s your interest experience in #crowdsourcing? #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:22 PM ET
transprVery good! RT @intellitics: The term “crowdsourcing” needs definition every once in a while: http://bit.ly/aNfwSP #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:22 PM ET
citizentools@intellitics I regret now suggesting that comments=crowdsourcing. #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:23 PM ET
citizentools@intellitics Power of crowdsourcing is that it *is* action (e.g. wiki edit photo tag) that doesn’t require further processing #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:23 PM ET
PublicDecisionsHave not seen alotof postcrowdsourcing reports after …what was heard decided why etc.? Any good ex out there folks can point 2? #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:23 PM ET
intellitics@PublicDecisions The definition is pretty clear not sure it should change. The term’s definitely being overused in my view. 😉 #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:24 PM ET
PublicDecisionsI C distinction btwn Wiki edit vs spons site like Ideascale etc tho/Crowd may offer input govt usually has final say #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:25 PM ET
PublicDecisionsExample of using crowdsourcing for ideas suggestions http://bit.ly/4FdJKZ #p2chat^09/07/10 06:25 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions so in some cs projs “boiling down” is intrinsic (e.g. wiki edits); in others it happens later if at all #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:28 PM ET
PublicDecisionsNew fed crowdsourcing project Challenge.gov to launch in next few weeks for exploration and innovation http://bit.ly/9Lr40M #p2chat^09/07/10 06:29 PM ET
citizentools@transpr Welcome – join the chat. What’s your #crowdsourcing interest experience? #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:31 PM ET
PublicDecisionsQ: how are crowdsourcing efforts differnt than comments submitted electr under fed rulemaking? #p2chat^09/07/10 06:31 PM ET
PublicDecisionsHi @transpr! welcome to the #p2chat discussion!^09/07/10 06:31 PM ET
intelliticsGreat #crowdsourcing flow chart by @nraford. Policy making/public participation doesn’t always seem to fit in: http://bit.ly/cyiZYn #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:32 PM ET
PublicDecisionsperhaps comments do not hve commitment for public to vote on?? #p2chat^09/07/10 06:33 PM ET
transpartisanCommenting & brainstorming are not same as “crowdsourcing” BUT they are components of it. So its easy for ppl to get confused. #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:33 PM ET
citizentoolsRT @ccfkc: @PublicDecisions We currently use survey tool to quantify results & working on new ways to capture qualitative responses #p2chat^09/07/10 06:34 PM ET
citizentoolsRT @ccfkc: The main thing we use #crowdsourcing for is to identify key issues for local policy-makers //#p2chat^09/07/10 06:35 PM ET
PublicDecisionsSeveral posts/resources from @DelibThinks on crowdsourcing http://bit.ly/br1vDl #p2chat^09/07/10 06:35 PM ET
transpr@citizentools @PublicDecisions Thx for the welcome! Been wanting to join in! Do PR/PI for gov clients. #p2chat^09/07/10 06:36 PM ET
PublicDecisionsHi @transpartisan welcome to #P2Chat!^09/07/10 06:36 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions say more about “commitment to voice on” … #p2chat^09/07/10 06:36 PM ET
transprThink more and more gov is going to utilize #crowdsourcing but like social media term may scare many #p2chat^09/07/10 06:37 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools wonder how many orgs commit 2 how will use/consider data fr csourcing in dec mking? agree w @transpr may b exception #p2chat^09/07/10 06:37 PM ET
PublicDecisionssee two types of csourcing themes here…data citizens create selves/modify vote on control vs that submitted 4 others 2 consider #p2chat^09/07/10 06:38 PM ET
intelliticsReporting graffiti/potholes is a great #crowdsourcing opportunity. Deciding how to allocate scarce budget resources not so much. #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:39 PM ET
PublicDecisionsGood story here in Guardian (UK) about govt challengs of csourcing…noting failures of http://bit.ly/crp4uh #p2chat^09/07/10 06:41 PM ET
transpartisan@PublicDecisions – Federal rulemaking is crowdsourcing. In both cases Commenting does the same thing. #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:42 PM ET
PublicDecisionsAny good metrics anyone can suggest for csourcing?? use soc media metrics or others?? #p2chat^09/07/10 06:42 PM ET
citizentools@transpartisan Welcome Steve. What do you think is required to call a process “crowdsourcing”? #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:42 PM ET
transpr1st challenge is buy in 2nd is to get funds toward it. RT @PublicDecisions: @citizentools … agree w @transpr may b exception #p2chat^09/07/10 06:42 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat leaning away from calling regulatory comments “crowdsourcing”. To me essence of cs is that an individual contrib is not important.^09/07/10 06:43 PM ET
PublicDecisionsTwo other resources from @DelibThinks http://bit.ly/aji7kL also Dialogue App (http://bit.ly/aJrPMC / http://bit.ly/djfuD7 #p2chat^09/07/10 06:43 PM ET
intellitics@PublicDecisions Except… “Programme for Government” was not a #crowdsourcing exercise. The Guardian mislabeled that one big time. #P2chat^09/07/10 06:45 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat e.g. wikipedia under no obligation to preserve my edit; Mechanical Turk customer need not accept my bit of work^09/07/10 06:45 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions re metrics: first did the task get done (the LoC photos labeled? the potholes found?) #p2chat^09/07/10 06:46 PM ET
intelliticsMy latest post tries to clarify (I’ve written about that project several times): http://bit.ly/ci19va #P2Chat #edem^09/07/10 06:46 PM ET
PublicDecisionsother csourcing info sent in 2day…from @ascentum “Crowdsourcing: 5 Reasons Why It‚Äôs Here to Stay” http://bit.ly/aPyRXx #p2chat^09/07/10 06:47 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools maybe also metric…(like soc media) visitors vs unique visitors…and participation rate among them #p2chat^09/07/10 06:48 PM ET
intelliticsRT @twipcast: FYI two of our five pilot episodes focused on #crowdsourcing: http://bit.ly/a4Q3EG #P2Chat #edem #gov20^09/07/10 06:48 PM ET
transprRT @PublicDecisions: from @ascentum ” #Crowdsourcing: 5 Reasons Why It‚Äôs Here to Stay” http://bit.ly/aPyRXx #p2chat #opengov #gov20^09/07/10 06:50 PM ET
transpartisan@intellitics cited the definition of the word’s originator. But where does it say that it’s only for small problems (eg potholes)? #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:50 PM ET
PublicDecisionsHow diverse is crowdsourcing…in democracy are only ppl with latest/coolest toys posting?? any data anyone’s seen? #p2chat^09/07/10 06:50 PM ET
PublicDecisions@transpartisan maybe definition of csourcing is in transition? #p2chat^09/07/10 06:51 PM ET
citizentools@transpartisan of course some potholes in DC (and of course Boston as well) as hardly “small” 😉 #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:51 PM ET
intellitics@transpartisan #Crowdsourcing can be applied to massive problems/challenges (e.g. Netflix Prize) key is to understand what kind. #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:53 PM ET
transpr@PublicDecisions I think #crowdsourcing like #socialmedia other #PR tools is one tool to use in outreach strategy. #p2chat^09/07/10 06:53 PM ET
PublicDecisionsR local govts using crowdsourcing to same degree as fed? how about state govts? #p2chat^09/07/10 06:54 PM ET
transprDfinitions meaningless? More abt what needed 4 specific effort. RT @PublicDecisions: @transpartisan definition in transition? #p2chat^09/07/10 06:54 PM ET
athenabridgeWith new tools government crowdsourcing efforts may eventually evolve far beyond comments/ideas and toward conversation/dialogue. #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:55 PM ET
transprVery few in both cases. Still catching up w/ social media. RT @PublicDecisions: R local govts? how about state govts? #p2chat^09/07/10 06:56 PM ET
intelliticsBeen trying to work out the key items to consider before using #crowdsourcing in #publicengmt: http://bit.ly/8zYfU0 #P2Chat #edem^09/07/10 06:56 PM ET
PublicDecisions@transpr would csourcing also be type of socmed? see gray areas there I guess; agree/disagr? @ccfkc does that square w yr exp too? #p2chat^09/07/10 06:57 PM ET
transprListening now! Good! RT @intellitics: RT @twipcast: audio on #crowdsourcing: http://bit.ly/a4Q3EG #P2Chat #edem #gov20^09/07/10 06:58 PM ET
PublicDecisionsHi @athenabridge welcome to #p2chat!^09/07/10 06:58 PM ET
ccfkc@PublicDecisions The City of Seattle http://bit.ly/dl20QD and Washington State http://bit.ly/cDJkeN are both using #crowdsourcing #P2Chat^09/07/10 06:58 PM ET
citizentoolsI want to sound the @intellitics note here: it turns out that there are web-based processes that aren’t crowdsourcing … #p2chat^09/07/10 06:59 PM ET
PublicDecisionsTime flies…! fantastic discussion tonight!! suggestions for next week? more on csourcing comments or new topic?? #p2chat^09/07/10 07:00 PM ET
transpartisan@intellitics – Where does the definition of “crowdsourcing” limit itself on the range of problems that it might solve? #P2Chat^09/07/10 07:00 PM ET
transpr@PublicDecisions I believe strongly it’s all meshing and tools now allow tailored use to fit needs of project. #p2chat^09/07/10 07:01 PM ET
citizentools@intellitics what I like in this post: crowdsourcing does not require representativeness or stakeholders. +1 #p2chat^09/07/10 07:02 PM ET
PublicDecisions@ccfkc have not seen these…thanks 4 sending. Great examples of local govt leading way! #p2chat^09/07/10 07:02 PM ET
intelliticsGreat you guys join the #P2Chat today: @transpartisan @transpr @athenabridge @ccfkc (also @ascentum and @DelibThinks via time warp). 😉^09/07/10 07:02 PM ET
intelliticsRT @citizentools: @intellitics what I like in this post: crowdsourcing does not require representativeness or stakeholders. +1 #p2chat^09/07/10 07:02 PM ET
PublicDecisions@ccfkc oops also state level too #p2chat^09/07/10 07:03 PM ET
transprHad fun! Thanks for the kind welcome #p2chat and @citizentools @intellitics @PublicDecisions^09/07/10 07:04 PM ET
PublicDecisionsSee y’all next week! many thanks 2 @intellitics @transpartisan @citizentools @athenabridge @transpr @ccfkc 4 participating! #p2chat^09/07/10 07:04 PM ET
PublicDecisionsRT @intellitics: Great #crowdsourcing flow chart by @nraford. Policy making/public participation doesn’t always seem to fit in: http://bit.ly/cyiZYn #P2Chat^09/07/10 07:05 PM ET
ccfkcThanks @PublicDecisions @citizentools & @intellics! Looking forward to next week’s #P2Chat^09/07/10 07:07 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions Ditto to all. Thanks. See ya. #p2chat^09/07/10 07:13 PM ET
ccfkcThanks @PublicDecisions @citizentools & @intellitics! Looking forward to next week’s #P2Chat^09/07/10 07:14 PM ET
JohnFMooreRT @transpr: Listening now! Good! RT @intellitics: RT @twipcast: audio on #crowdsourcing: http://bit.ly/a4Q3EG #P2Chat #edem #gov20^09/07/10 07:15 PM ET


#p2chat August 31, 2010

Posted: September 23rd, 2010 | Author: | Filed under: Twitter Chat, Twitter Content | Tags: | No Comments »

Beth Offenbacker of Public Decisions hosts #p2chat, a weekly chat on public participation, Tuesdays at 6pm Eastern/3pm Pacific.

This is the archive of tweets for the August 31 chat.

PublicDecisionsHi everyone welcome to this week’s #P2Chat! We have a lot of great things to talk about regarding #publicengmt^08/25/10 11:08 AM ET
PublicDecisionsPlease introduce yourself for this week’s #P2Chat….name Twitter handle a little about you/your org^08/31/10 05:36 PM ET
PublicDecisionsBeth Offenbacker #P2Chat co-moderator with @Citizentools. @PublicDecisions: we use techn 2 enhance publicengmt thru distinctive online pgms^08/31/10 06:00 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat intro: Chris Berendes blogger local acitivist CTO for a fed contractor; interested in lessons learned about online engagement^08/31/10 06:00 PM ET
PublicDecisionsLast week we talked some about online and f2f engmt as part of #p2chat; let’s build on that gr8 thread by starting there^08/31/10 06:03 PM ET
PublicDecisionsPew Survey on older ple’s uses 4 Soc Med http://bit.ly/cBqFk2 Q: does yr org distinguish btwn diff demog in re social media strat? #P2Chat^08/31/10 06:04 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools Very true… we forget need to integrate the two into tool selection use #p2chat^08/31/10 06:07 PM ET
PublicDecisionsMy own observ is most orgs don’t distinguish betw demogaltho we prob shld. cld make engmt more effective. Will try to implem myself #p2chat^08/31/10 06:10 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions @zephoria pt: *how* a demographic uses a tool; e.g. young ppl disclose on #fb what I suspect elders don’t #P2Chat^08/31/10 06:13 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions examples of where not distinguishing has caused trouble? #p2chat^08/31/10 06:15 PM ET
PublicDecisionsdon’t have gd exmpl myslf. Think it has alot to do with what commty participants expect from engmt maybe? Needs/interests may vary #p2chat^08/31/10 06:16 PM ET
intelliticsJoining #P2Chat a bit late today. Howdy! 😉^08/31/10 06:17 PM ET
citizentools@intellitics hey. congrats on the wide play the “10 tips for online/offline” got #P2Chat^08/31/10 06:20 PM ET
PublicDecisions@Citizentools not so much prblmmore realiz “one size” doesn’t fit all…need 2 custmze online apprch on needs/int as w other meth #p2chat^08/31/10 06:24 PM ET
PublicDecisionsHey @intellitics! Always glad to connect w you :) #p2chat^08/31/10 06:26 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools @intellitics Have you seen need 4 diff in demog appr to soc med? (Is it just me surmising based on Pew report??) #p2chat^08/31/10 06:26 PM ET
PublicDecisions@Intellitics any word on the SXSW proposal? I voted for it can ppl still support? #p2chat^08/31/10 06:27 PM ET
intellitics@citizentools Thanks! @democracy just added a few more items in the comments. Good stuff! #P2Chat^08/31/10 06:28 PM ET
intellitics@PublicDecisions Voting for #SXSW Panel Picker has ended. We’ll see how it goes. It’s a bit of a long shot. 😉 #P2Chat^08/31/10 06:29 PM ET
citizentools@intellitics since this is pretty intimate I’ll float an idea to extend participatedb #P2Chat^08/31/10 06:29 PM ET
citizentoolswhat if: get list from iap2 practitioners of favored in practice (or wished for) online processes; = use cases #P2Chat^08/31/10 06:31 PM ET
citizentoolsthen ask tool providers (w/some help) to self select for use cases they can handle and do short (5min) video demos ?#p2chat^08/31/10 06:35 PM ET
citizentoolsresults: non-techie get a better idea of how various tools work for processes they understand #p2chat^08/31/10 06:36 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools very cool idea…existing vs. desired. cld be quite fascinating 2 track #p2chat^08/31/10 06:36 PM ET
citizentoolsAND toolsmiths get better sense of demand and how to present their coooool tools #p2chat^08/31/10 06:37 PM ET
intellitics@citizentools Good! I was thinking about prototyping a “tool selection wizard” for the upcoming @NCDD Fall events. #P2Chat^08/31/10 06:37 PM ET
intellitics@citizentools That sounds interesting! From what I’m seeing uptake of “online” still very mixed early days etc. #P2Chat^08/31/10 06:38 PM ET
citizentools@intellitics shall we talk offline? #P2Chat^08/31/10 06:38 PM ET
PublicDecisions@intellitics will there be sort/search feature soon on participatedb? #p2chat^08/31/10 06:40 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat and for my next question: what have you/we learned as participants or organizers of online engagement?^08/31/10 06:41 PM ET
PublicDecisions4 me it’s that the idea of online engmt still new to some folks…esp in areas with dialup internet #p2Chat^08/31/10 06:41 PM ET
citizentoolsone long term lesson: exponential growth means that there are a lot of newbies #p2Chat^08/31/10 06:41 PM ET
PublicDecisionsearly adopters are into not evryone is tho. Ex:fam mem has tvdish in rural county NO email thru DSL cable etc. email at work tho #p2chat^08/31/10 06:43 PM ET
PublicDecisions…also means NO internet access #p2chat^08/31/10 06:45 PM ET
citizentoolsone reason why @democracy emphasizes email/web equal opp’ty for his dialog tool #p2chat^08/31/10 06:46 PM ET
citizentoolsa lesson as a participant: I can generally make myself heard (=loudmouth) offline; not always online #p2chat^08/31/10 06:46 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools Yes easy for us urban dwellers who are connected 24/7 to think all others are too.Smtimes internet just not avail #p2chat^08/31/10 06:48 PM ET
PublicDecisionsValue of mix of apprches impt; am wking on proj incl in person online as well as teleph mtgs and hosted mtgs 2 (proj in rural area) #p2chat^08/31/10 06:49 PM ET
PublicDecisionsLesson 4 me as participant: practicing active listening hard to do may be harder when I am not being neutral facil #p2chat^08/31/10 06:49 PM ET
PublicDecisionsOnline active listening takes on very diff dynamic naturally…how to listen *btwn* words meaning like at in person mtg?? #p2chat^08/31/10 06:51 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions “active listening” harder when online? (for me probably since many screens open etc.) #p2chat^08/31/10 06:54 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools Yes since we can’t always “hear” the meaning have to ponder more what is meant…value of emoticons tho! #p2chat^08/31/10 06:55 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions may listening online happens more slowly – offline you can learn a lot in 60 sec; maybe online takes longer #p2chat^08/31/10 06:55 PM ET
citizentools@intellitics any lessons learned as online engagement participant or organizer (or developer)? #p2chat^08/31/10 06:57 PM ET
PublicDecisionsThanks 4 gr8 disc as always @citizentools @intellitics! Have a fantastic Labor Day wknd and see everybody next week! #P2Chat^08/31/10 06:58 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions @intellitics over and out. let’s ponder our recruitment options a bit for next week. Perhaps a prize? 😉 #P2Chat^08/31/10 06:59 PM ET
intellitics@PublicDecisions @citizentools Nice chattin’ 😉 #P2Chat^08/31/10 07:05 PM ET


#p2chat, August 24, 2010

Posted: September 21st, 2010 | Author: | Filed under: Twitter Chat, Twitter Content | Tags: | No Comments »

Beth Offenbacker of Public Decisions hosts #p2chat, a weekly chat on public participation, Tuesdays at 6pm Eastern/3pm Pacific.

This is the archive of tweets for the August 24 chat.

PublicDecisionsWelcome to this week’s #p2chat for Tues Aug 24 2010! Please post a brief intro of yourself (and remember to include #p2chat when posting)^08/24/10 05:58 PM ET
PublicDecisionsYou can also follow the discussion for this week’s #p2chat at http://bit.ly/dg46nu^08/24/10 05:58 PM ET
citizentoolsChris Berendes #gov20 advocate blogger on online engagement etc. looking forward to this week’s #p2chat^08/24/10 05:59 PM ET
PublicDecisionsBeth Offenbacker @PublicDecisions We use techn 2 improve practice of engaging people thru distinctive online conf pgms & classes #p2chat^08/24/10 06:00 PM ET
PublicDecisionsSpecial thanks to Chris Berendes @citizentools who has kindly agreed to co-moderate #p2chat; he also archives our chats too :)^08/24/10 06:01 PM ET
PublicDecisionsToday’s subject is f2f and online engmt how to best integr8? Pointers suggestions etc. #p2chat (courtesy of @intellitics)^08/24/10 06:02 PM ET
intelliticsWe’re a participation startup from San Jos√© CA. We’re developing @zilino a new web app for online consultations. #P2Chat #opengov #edem^08/24/10 06:04 PM ET
PublicDecisionsOther topics welcome too! What questions subjects do you have about public engmt? #p2chat^08/24/10 06:06 PM ET
citizentoolsSo of @intellitics ‘s post on integration of on/offline engagement http://bit.ly/99Gbe3 I liked 345 – bridge back and forth #p2chat^08/24/10 06:06 PM ET
PublicDecisionsGood ex of comparison I came across (by accident) earlier today see http://www.cihr.gc.ca/e/42214.html (scroll down to App 2) #p2chat^08/24/10 06:06 PM ET
PublicDecisionsDon’t know much about how structured from p2 planning persp although wrote about another example on blog http://bit.ly/dmUtRN #p2chat^08/24/10 06:07 PM ET
intellitics@PublicDecisions Great find! I’ll have to dig up the articles I’ve read on this issue (our wiki let me down last night). 😉 #P2Chat^08/24/10 06:09 PM ET
PublicDecisionsWhy do most orgs struggle with integration? Many seem to be wary of negative posts even with moderation; easier to control in f2f #p2chat^08/24/10 06:11 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat – what are some examples of struggling wit h integration?^08/24/10 06:13 PM ET
PublicDecisions@intellitics @citizentools Do you find that most orgs are on board with true integr? nonprof I am wking with likes which is good #p2chat^08/24/10 06:13 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools #p2chat I would say having limited ability 4 people to say what they feel needs to be said in online env too many "controls"^08/24/10 06:15 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat agree somewhat on controls but that’s more a prob w/online per se than "integration"^08/24/10 06:16 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat what strikes me about the App2 list is that w/online we don’t know who is ‘in the room" or who will see it later == unsafe^08/24/10 06:17 PM ET
citizentools.@intellitics you still in the #p2chat?^08/24/10 06:19 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools ok good pt on controls I guess I C balance in those instnces tipping more 2 f2f so then less emph placed on online #p2chat^08/24/10 06:19 PM ET
intellitics@PublicDecisions The integration issue arose from @NCDD. Seems many practitioners are just starting to wrap their heads around this. #P2Chat^08/24/10 06:22 PM ET
PublicDecisionsso less emphasis means less integration; which raises Q what proportion of integration is gen the case betw f2f and online #p2chat^08/24/10 06:22 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat re @intellitics online/offline 28: why? say we had split f2f mtg betw. 2 breakouts: would we insist everyone spend time in both?^08/24/10 06:23 PM ET
PublicDecisionsWould love to see examples of good/bad integr. Can learn from both #p2chat^08/24/10 06:23 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools yes you are right about who is "in the room" how do orgs address this? Some req sign in from what I have seen/heard #p2chat^08/24/10 06:24 PM ET
intellitics@citizentools I think getting (some portion of) participants to engage both online and off could be very beneficial yes. #P2Chat^08/24/10 06:25 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat obviously I’m grumpy abt integration. Rather start w/ say "participant in either mode/brkout room has equal access to engmt proces"^08/24/10 06:27 PM ET
citizentools.@intellitics #P2Chat granted on 345; beyond that what’s benefit of offliners ALSO going online?^08/24/10 06:27 PM ET
PublicDecisionsAm thinking back to p2 planning disc p2 plan 4 proj should focus on goals 1st. Is there good chart showing online tool match 2 goal?#p2chat^08/24/10 06:27 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions re "who’s in room?" coolest I’ve seen is small rooms & mods who check-in w/all periodically eg Maestro teleconf #p2chat^08/24/10 06:29 PM ET
intellitics@citizentools Think I agree. Both online/offline need to support overall participation objectives both have strengths/weaknesses. #P2Chat^08/24/10 06:31 PM ET
PublicDecisions#p2chat …I mean that selection of tool for online has different implications than regular f2f so diff chart would be useful^08/24/10 06:31 PM ET
citizentools.@PublicDecisions re tool/goal match – intervening var = process. Some not all processes can be shoe-horned into certain tools #p2chat^08/24/10 06:32 PM ET
intellitics@citizentools Distinction between on/off should be less rigid IMHO. Let participants use whichever mode works best incl. both. 😉 #P2Chat^08/24/10 06:33 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools so true about variable of process; although factors with online like sensory overload data that shld be considrd #p2chat^08/24/10 06:35 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat – agree w/"use which is best for you" & mods will do their best to ensure you’re not a second class citizen +1^08/24/10 06:35 PM ET
intellitics@PublicDecisions That’s a matrix we’d *love* to work on at some point. Btw @ParticipateDB might serve as starting point! 😉 #P2Chat^08/24/10 06:36 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools LOVE Maestro! would be gr8 to compile list of synchronous and asynchronous for engmt diff impacts/factors 2 think abt #p2chat^08/24/10 06:37 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat thing is a given tools often imports a certain "culture". e.g. against Twitter culture but not tech to string^08/24/10 06:38 PM ET
citizentoolstogether 3 tweets to say something at greater length. #p2chat^08/24/10 06:38 PM ET
PublicDecisions@intellitics Sounds gr8! Would be glad to collaborate on! :) #p2chat^08/24/10 06:39 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat so would be interesting to sponsor "culture breaking experiments" (which could work with ParticipateDB actually)^08/24/10 06:39 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools intrsting pt about culture…do you mean culture of tool itself or culture of org or community that uses(or all/some)? #p2chat^08/24/10 06:39 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat e.g. have AmericaSpeaks or World Cafe push Ideascale and surrounding processes to the limits see what they can do^08/24/10 06:40 PM ET
citizentools.@PublicDecisions #p2chat mean "how ppl expect tool to be used even though techno permits something else"^08/24/10 06:40 PM ET
PublicDecisionsAgree @citizentools. would be gr8 to create "lab" to explore how tools work in certain processes vs others #p2chat^08/24/10 06:40 PM ET
intellitics@PublicDecisions Several "tool selection wizards" exist. Most fall short. In the end a lot depends on process design/facilitation. #P2Chat^08/24/10 06:42 PM ET
PublicDecisions@intellitics would be great to compile list of those too; most I have seen don’t include full spectrum of asynch/synchr; agree? #p2chat^08/24/10 06:42 PM ET
PublicDecisionsAm really interested in mobile phone techn for engmt apart from keypads (old school now!); any new uses u know of? #p2chat^08/24/10 06:42 PM ET
citizentools#p2chat not at all expert on tool selctn wizrds but suspect tjey mostly as useful/less as “how to pick up person of appropriate sex” tips^08/24/10 06:43 PM ET
PublicDecisionslol @citizentools! yes there is parallel that could be made there! #p2chat^08/24/10 06:45 PM ET
citizentools.@PublicDecisions #p2chat re mobile phone engmt – http://app.beextra.org/ for volunteering e.g. pix tagging via smartphone^08/24/10 06:47 PM ET
intellitics@PublicDecisions Mobile is another very interesting area. Don’t know nearly enough about current usage/use cases. #P2Chat #edem^08/24/10 06:48 PM ET
citizentools.@PublicDecisions harrumph. parallel is that both the "tips" seekers and the "wizard" users are asking the wrong question #p2chat^08/24/10 06:48 PM ET
PublicDecisionsFave new mobile ph techn sends med data in remote areas back 2 lab for analysis. Sim idea could work for rural areas w transp data? #p2chat^08/24/10 06:49 PM ET
citizentools.@intellitics #p2chat re participatedb – any thoughts on including "micro" processes – e.g how each tool might (not)serve brainstorming?^08/24/10 06:50 PM ET
PublicDecisionsOr other ways that citizens could co-produce/partic in policymking…BUT going beynd ClickItFixit #p2chat^08/24/10 06:50 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools Didnotknow about BeExtra very cool!!Yes we shld b encourging this kind of collab IMHO in our p2 comm not just blogs #p2chat^08/24/10 06:52 PM ET
citizentools@PublicDecisions re beyond @seeclickfix in general see http://infovegan.com/2010/08/02/city-bankruptcy per @cjoh #p2chat^08/24/10 06:52 PM ET
PublicDecisions@citizentools Fascinating post on SeeClickfix! will read full article later. Int pt about incr cost of gov svcs due to more svc req #p2chat^08/24/10 06:54 PM ET
ParticipateDB@citizentools We hope to launch more capabilities soon to add such information. There are a lot of angles worth exploring! #P2Chat #edem^08/24/10 06:55 PM ET
PublicDecisionsWld be interesting to see what % req are taken on by citizens vs govt to fix #p2chat^08/24/10 06:57 PM ET
PublicDecisionsGr8 conversation @citizentools @intellitics! thanks 4 chance to chat 2night some cool things to think abt/work on in re f2f/online #p2chat^08/24/10 06:58 PM ET
citizentoolsGood night @PublicDecisions @intellitics Time for dinner w/my inamorata! #p2chat #schmooze^08/24/10 06:58 PM ET
PublicDecisionsThanks @citizentools! Am off to have a nice glass of wine myself. See everyone next wk same Bat-time same Bat station! #p2chat^08/24/10 07:01 PM ET
intellitics@PublicDecisions Ditto that was fun. Thanks everyone! #P2Chat #edem^08/24/10 07:04 PM ET
intelliticsNice! @amysue102 shares example of real-time three-way online/offline integration (F2F Skype SecondLife): http://bit.ly/bOsFsY #P2Chat^08/24/10 07:05 PM ET
mpeersRT @intellitics: We’re a participation startup from San Jos√© CA. We’re developing @zilino a new web app for online consultations. #P2Chat #opengov #edem^08/24/10 07:08 PM ET


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